An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
Two previously unlikely friends, an ex-Mormon (Kate) and a never-Mormon (Erika) deconstruct the quirks and contradictions of the Mormon faith with humor and empathy. And cocktails.
Two previously unlikely friends, an ex-Mormon (Kate) and a never-Mormon (Erika) deconstruct the quirks and contradictions of the Mormon faith with humor and empathy. And cocktails.
Episodes

May 30, 2025
Clip - Impromptu Photoshoot With Gay Jesus!
May 30, 2025
May 30, 2025
9 sec
We had so much fun with guest Gay Jesus aka Ryan Josiah aka Ryan Barlow, that we decided to have a quick, impromptu, informal photoshoot with him after the recording!This first episode of season two drops on Tuesday, June 3.
May 30, 2025
9 sec

May 29, 2025
Clip - Season Two Opens With GAY JESUS!
May 29, 2025
May 29, 2025
55 sec
Two NoMos have been on a short recording break to gear up for lots of upcoming events and engagements. But next Tuesday, June 3, we're back, Baby!We open season two with very special guest, "Gay Jesus," aka, Ryan Josiah. Spoiler alert: he is neither Jesus nor gay. But he is a local Salt Lake celebrity and activist, fighting the good fight for marginalized groups, particularly LGBTQ. And we were super stoked and honored that he shared his story and time with us.
Tune in on June 3 for the first episode of season two of, "An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar..."!
May 29, 2025
55 sec

May 19, 2025
May 19, 2025
1 min
Folks without a Temple "recommend" are not permitted to enter the Mormon Temple. We didn't realize how dire the consequences would be for doing this...Erika tries the Temple for the very first time, and Kate returns for the first time after leaving the church. Don't try this at home, kids.
May 19, 2025
1 min

May 18, 2025
May 18, 2025
18 sec
Can Kate say "See You Next Tuesday"? Find out in this Trying Moment!
May 18, 2025
18 sec

May 17, 2025
Clip - The Casual Racism of "Good" Mormons
May 17, 2025
May 17, 2025
41 sec
Nothing like "good" Mormons telling racist jokes.Thanks to Channel Achenbach for sharing her afternoon and her story with us!
May 17, 2025
41 sec

May 16, 2025
Clip - Mormon Temple Cult Ceremony
May 16, 2025
May 16, 2025
1 min
Women are asked to "cover their faces" during parts of Mormon Temple ceremonies.
This is a quote from a woman whose sister had a panic attack and broke down sobbing the first time she went through the Temple. None of her friends or family were permitted to comfort her, as everyone is required to keep their heads down and plow through the ceremony.
May 16, 2025
1 min

May 8, 2025
May 8, 2025
27 sec
Like Jesus, the Mormon Temple is exclusive and unavailable to many. Wait a minute...
May 8, 2025
27 sec

May 6, 2025
May 6, 2025
1 hr 4 min
The Mormon Temple and all its rituals are creepy.
In this episode, the Two NoMos dive further into the cult-like rituals and share some terrifying quotes from ExMormons who went through the Temple and came out scathed and traumatized.
May 6, 2025
1 hr 4 min

Apr 29, 2025
Ep. 15 - Temple (Do Not) Recommend
Apr 29, 2025
Apr 29, 2025
53 min
To enter the Mormon Temple, a member needs a "recommend." In other words, one needs to be deemed "worthy" enough, and of course, the hefty tithing needs to be paid. God always needs money.While this flies in the face of everything espoused by Jesus (the man, the myth, the legend - however you conceive of this figure), it also doesn't seem to be quite worth it. Once members are "inside" and have the full Temple experience, many feel slighted, anxious, or just plain creeped out by the full-on cultiness.In this episode, the Two NoMos explore some of these culty rituals.
Apr 29, 2025
53 min

Apr 25, 2025
Apr 25, 2025
3 min
On his mission for the Mormon church, Bryan went to his bishop, distraught by some natural feelings he was having as a young man. Instead of normalizing this, the bishop asked him a humiliating question and shamed him.
Apr 25, 2025
3 min







