An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
Two previously unlikely friends, an ex-Mormon (Kate) and a never-Mormon (Erika) deconstruct the quirks and contradictions of the Mormon faith with humor and empathy. And cocktails.
Two previously unlikely friends, an ex-Mormon (Kate) and a never-Mormon (Erika) deconstruct the quirks and contradictions of the Mormon faith with humor and empathy. And cocktails.
Episodes

Mar 4, 2025
Mar 4, 2025
1 hr 8 min
Two NoMos Kate and Erika sit down with extraordinary poet and ex-church of Christ member, Kaitlin Shetler.
In this episode we discuss the similarities and differences between the Mormon Church and the church of Christ. We highlight the cult tactics employed by both, as well as the erasure of women in these organizations.
And as a special treat, Kaitlin reads one of her beautiful and powerful poems, "sometimes i wonder," about the erasure of Mother Mary's experience in birthing Jesus.
Kate and Erika were both a bit awestruck by Kaitlin's enormous talent.
Mar 4, 2025
1 hr 8 min

Feb 25, 2025
Ep. 6 - Keep Sweet, Pray and... NO WAY!
Feb 25, 2025
Feb 25, 2025
58 min
In the Mormon church, women are not allowed to hold any significant positions of leadership. They are prohibited from ever being the Prophet, a part of the Quorum, a Bishop, or even holding the Priesthood in their own homes. They can oversee the Women's Auxiliary and the Children's Ward, but even then, they must check in with male leaders about any decisions, and they are not permitted to make decisions on their own.
In this episode, "Keep Sweet, Pray and... NO WAY!", Kate and Erika examine the second-class status of women in the Mormon church, and the ramifications of that for members.
Feb 25, 2025
58 min

Feb 18, 2025
Ep. 5 - A Very Special Two NoMos
Feb 18, 2025
Feb 18, 2025
48 min
In this "after school special" episode of "An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk into a Bar..." Kate and Erika discuss some of the struggles that come with leaving The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, or Mormon Church. For many, a change in religion changes relationships with family and friends who are still members of the church.This one gets personal. Buckle up.
Feb 18, 2025
48 min

Feb 11, 2025
Ep. 4 - Two Girls, One Cult
Feb 11, 2025
Feb 11, 2025
47 min
In this episode, Kate and Erika discuss whether or not the Mormon church is a cult, and Kate "tries" the viral video from the dawn of the internet, "Two Girls, One Cup."This was our reference for cult criteria: https://www.cookman.edu/crl/cult-related-activity.html
Feb 11, 2025
47 min

Feb 4, 2025
Feb 4, 2025
54 min
In this episode, Kate and Erika chat with The Fresh King Benjamin about his upbringing in a Mormon polygamist compound. Then we all get a little wild and decide to try out polygamy to see what all the fuss is about!
This podcast is NOT intended to strengthen the faith of members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Listener discretion is advised.
***WARNING: This podcast is created for adult audiences only. Content warnings for this episode include explicit language and sexual references.
Follow The Fresh King Benjamin on the following platforms:
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@thefreshkingbenjamin
@comedyrumbleslc
@comedyrumblelasvegas
@chair__cult
TikTok
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@comedyrumbleslc
@comedyrumblelasvegas
Feb 4, 2025
54 min

Jan 28, 2025
Ep. 2 - What the Hell is an ExMo Doing in a Bar?
Jan 28, 2025
Jan 28, 2025
43 min
In this episode of "An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk into a Bar...", Kate and Erika discuss the absurdities of the Word of Wisdom, or code of health. Mormons will drink a chemical $#!+storm of Mountain Dew, while eschewing green tea as the devil's brew. And they do this in the name of health. Kate wouldn't even enter a bar while a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, and now she is co-hosting a podcast over drinks with Erika at The Break Sports Grill.
Also, Erika gets dirty with a soda.
This podcast is NOT intended to strengthen the faith of members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Listener discretion is advised.
***WARNING: This podcast is created for adult audiences only. Content warnings for this episode include explicit language and sexual references.
Our website www.twonomos.com is still under construction. Until it's published...
Follow Two NoMos on Facebook & Instagram
Follow Kate on TikTok, YouTube, and Instagram @Midlife Exmo
Follow Erika's blog at www.erikarachelstone.com
Jan 28, 2025
43 min

Jan 21, 2025
Ep. 1 - Unlikely Friends Become Besties
Jan 21, 2025
Jan 21, 2025
53 min
In this episode of An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar..., cohosts Kate (ExMormon) and Erika (NeverMormon) introduce themselves and their podcast. They share their experiences living in Salt Lake Valley, or "Mormon Central", and reflect on the unlikely friendship that developed between them. The episode explores their experiences with the Mormon church and the changes that led them to start this podcast together.
Recorded at The Break Sports Bar & Grill in South Jordan, Utah, this podcast is not intended to strengthen the faith of members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Listener discretion is advised.
WARNING: This podcast is created for adult audiences only. Content warnings for this episode include explicit language and sexual references.
Our website www.twonomos.com is still under construction. Until it's published...
Follow Two NoMos on Facebook
Follow Kate on TikTok, YouTube, and Instagram @Midlife Exmo
Follow Erika's blog at www.erikarachelstone.com
Jan 21, 2025
53 min







