An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
Two previously unlikely friends, an ex-Mormon (Kate) and a never-Mormon (Erika) deconstruct the quirks and contradictions of the Mormon faith with humor and empathy. And cocktails.
Two previously unlikely friends, an ex-Mormon (Kate) and a never-Mormon (Erika) deconstruct the quirks and contradictions of the Mormon faith with humor and empathy. And cocktails.
Episodes

Jul 25, 2025
Ep. 24 - Let's Talk About Mental Health, Baby!
Jul 25, 2025
Jul 25, 2025
1 hr 24 min
In this episode, an ExMo and a NeverMo and another ExMo talk about the effects of Mormonism on mental health. Buckle up for some deep conversations, laughter, and an announcement about the future of the podcast!Check out the article from the Deseret News: https://www.deseret.com/2023/6/20/23759342/latter-day-saint-mental-health-research/Recorded at Land of a Thousand Hills in South Jordan, UT, this podcast is NOT intended to strengthen the faith of members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Listener discretion is advised.***WARNING: This podcast is created for adult audiences only. Content warnings for this episode include explicit language. Our website www.twonomos.com is still under construction. Until it's published... Follow Two NoMos on Facebook Follow Kate on TikTok, YouTube, and Instagram @Midlife Exmo Follow Erika on TikTok as @imerikana or on her blog at www.erikarachelstone.comFollow René on TikTok as Go Gray Dame and follower her podcast, She Became Visible here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/she-became-visible/id1620041558
Jul 25, 2025
1 hr 24 min

Jul 25, 2025
Clip - "You're Taught to Hate Yourself."
Jul 25, 2025
Jul 25, 2025
42 sec
Kate and Erika had a wonderful chat with Jonathan Alder, who wrote “Closeted,” about his experiences as a gay student at BYU. Spoiler alert: The experiences were not good.You can find his book here: amazon.com/Closeted-Life-Gay-Student-Memoir-ebook/dp/B0B3JFGRGB
Jul 25, 2025
42 sec

Jul 21, 2025
Clip - When Self-Loathing Is a "Virtue"
Jul 21, 2025
Jul 21, 2025
35 sec
Sam Nieves is gaying away the the pray!While he underwent destructive and traumatic conversion therapy, where he was praised for h@ting himself, he is now healing and thriving and helping others to do the same through the Conversion Therapy Survivor Network.You can find more information about his impactful non-profit here: www.conversionsurvivor.org#AnExMoandaNeverMoWalkIntoaBar #TwoNoMos #podcast #ExMo #NeverMo #LGBTQ #Pride #conversiontherpy #conversiontherapysurvivor #gayawaythepray #conversiontherapyiswrong #loveislove #loveyourself #bornthisway #thechurchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints #mormon #lds #exlds
Jul 21, 2025
35 sec

Jul 19, 2025
Clip - "YOU ARE WORTHY."
Jul 19, 2025
Jul 19, 2025
1 min
Chris Davis Proud reads from her book, “Worthy.” What an honor it was to hear this “ExMo Lesbo’s” story, from trials to triumph. She is using her voice to help others find theirs. ♥️🧡💛💚💙💜You can find more information about her and her book here: chrisdavisproud.com.
Jul 19, 2025
1 min

Jul 18, 2025
Clip - Two NoMos Visit "The Church of Korihor"!
Jul 18, 2025
Jul 18, 2025
1 min
Kate embraces feminism. Erika, as usual, roars.
We loved being guests on the Podcast, "The Church of Korihor" with Joe Rawlins! We discussed everything from feminism to sex to the brilliant film Heretic. It was a hoot!See the full video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3orkcY7uU8&t=3551s
Jul 18, 2025
1 min

Jul 17, 2025
Clip - Season 2 Ep. 7 - CONFESS!
Jul 17, 2025
Jul 17, 2025
56 sec
Mormon bishops demand that you confess every last juicy detail of your "sins." Nothing creepy at all!
Jul 17, 2025
56 sec

Jul 16, 2025
Ep. 23 - Trans-Gression in Mormonism
Jul 16, 2025
Jul 16, 2025
1 hr 7 min
In this episode, roles are reversed as René takes on the role of cohost and Jaime becomes the guest. Jaime describes the challenges of being a transwoman in predominantly Mormon culture.
Jul 16, 2025
1 hr 7 min

Jul 15, 2025
Jul 15, 2025
1 min
Trigger Warning: Suicidal IdeationAuthor Chris Davis Proud talks about a dark time in her life when she was a closeted member of the Mormon church. While this story has a happy ending, this phenomenal woman certainly experienced some trials. But ultimately, she triumphed, and is using her voice to help others to feel their WORTH.Learn more about her journey, and check out her uplifting book, "Worthy" here: https://chrisdavisproud.com/.
Jul 15, 2025
1 min

Jul 14, 2025
Jul 14, 2025
21 sec
When Kate left the Mormon Church, Erika had SO MANY questions. So we started a podcast.This is our origin story. Told in under 30 seconds.
Jul 14, 2025
21 sec

Jul 9, 2025
Jul 9, 2025
1 hr 2 min
A wonderful (substitute) ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar with René Steelman! We loved chatting with this phenomenal woman, and host of the podcast, She Became Visible.
When she left the Mormon church after decades of service, she stepped into her own agency, wants, and visibility. Catch her podcast here: https://www.youtube.com/@SheBecameVisible513.
Jul 9, 2025
1 hr 2 min







